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Thank you for visiting this site, hopefully you will find it interesting and the products will aid you in your ability in air marksmanship. I’ve been a smallbore and bigbore powder shooter for years but one day got hooked on air. I’ve incorporated my ideas into designs that will improve scores in competition or just to make air more fun. My designs and improvements have been “FIELD TESTED” to give the shooter a product that they can depend on. At times my products have given me nightmares since my competition uses my products in competition against me but that’s field testing.
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Daisy 747 w/prototype scope base and 6-20X scope, 6.5 ounce trigger and custom grip. Shoots under 3/8 inch, 5 shot groups at 18 yards from the bench. With the smallest group of .051”, that’s a single clean hole. This pistol has won the NRA FLORIDA AIR SILHOUETTE CHAMPIONSHIP with a 55X60 and also the FLORIDA STATE SUNSHINE STATE CHAMPIONSHIP.
I will also be bringing you some interesting articles of airarms tests to aid you in making an intelligent choice along with projects and ideas to improve your skill and make air even more enjoyable.
Two 5 shot groups from 2 different Daisy 747's. The group at 10 yards shot with a new 747 received in November 2004, the .051 group shot by my silhouette 747 at 18 yards in February 1999.
INTRODUCTION TO SCOPE BASE
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The Baikal IZH46 series, Crosman 17XX & 22XX series, Daisy 7X7 series, XISCO B5-10 and QB-1 scope base are of the barrel clamping style with an adjustable scope rail. The base is machined from aluminum, each half is ¼ inch thick, the adjustable rail is also aluminum. To prevent thread stripping which is common in aluminum my base halves have two threaded steel inserts securing the two halves. The rail can be adjusted forward and backward, this is very helpful for proper adjustment for pellet port access or when using rifle scopes, it also allows a safer and more comfortable grip in front of the base.
This base design, sights near the apex of the trajectory when used with optional HIGH scope rings and gives the shooter almost POA/POI shooting from 10 to 18 yards, allowing the shooter the freedom of virtually no adjustment in elevation during a match.
Due to the design of this scope base increasing the height of ANY scope above the axis of the barrel, allows easier access to the pellet port when compared to other designs on the market.
Pictured is the scope base for the Daisy 717,747, 777 and 722
A mounting pad is also supplied that not only protects barrel but also firmly secures the grip of the scope base to the barrel.
Installation is easy and will take few minutes and the only tools needed are a set of allen wrenches. Please see installation instructions.
SCOPE BASE INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS
1. You will find the clamshell scope base to be assembled, parts included are (2) Socket Head Cap Screws, Clamshell base left and right, adjustable Weaver rail and scope rings (OPTIONAL).
2. There are Fabric Barrel Protector Pads attached to the inside of the base. These pads not only protect the barrel but aid in gripping the barrel.
NOTE; BAIKAL IZH 46 & 46M should be set approximately 1 1/16 to 1 1/4 inch forward of where the barrel enters the receiver/frame to clear loading gate mechanism rod movement.
********** SEE PICTURE INSERT **********
THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT on the BAIKAL, DAMAGE can occur to the loading gate mechanism if it is hindered in anyway.
3. Remove the Socket Head Cap Screws and slide the scope base clamshell and scope ring rail over the barrel with fabric protector in place. Can also be done without the scope rail since the rail can be slid into place after the clamshell halves are in place.
4. Insert one Socket Head Cap Screw and tighten so it just holds the assembly in place, insert second Socket Head Cap Screw, tighten both just enough so you can just rotate base on barrel.
5. You can now check vertical alignment of base and rings and fully tighten socket head cap screws.
7. Make sure scope rings are secure and attach scope.
NOTE; Adjustment for eye relief or clearing loading port can be accomplished by slightly loosening the 2 socket head cap screws and sliding the rail forward or backward to the position required.
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The DAISY Quads
by Jay Axelrod
I am a silhouette shooter and over the years you hear about legends in silhouette and sometimes you wonder if it's just hype. One of those legends just happens to be an air pistol and it is the Daisy 717. The Daisy 717 is actually the entry level of Daisy's 7X7 line. Daisy's 747 is the next step-up with some upgrades such as an adjustable trigger and the Lothar Walther barrel. The top of the line was the 777 with a refined target rear sight and wood grips but that has been discontinued. There was the 722 a 22cal version of the 717, that was also discontinued. The molded plastic grips on the 717 and 747 are target style with a thumbrest and are comfortable. Have no fear if you're a lefty, Daisy has the target grip for you and it's under $15.
The 777 was the top of the Daisy 7X7 series.
I started testing with three new Daisy 747's and found Daisy included 2 test reports for each pistol, one is a report with a 5 shot test of velocity and deviation the other a test target at 10 meters. I gave the three pistols a quick check and found one pistol to have two minor problems. First was the plastic bolt, it had trouble cycling, there was a pimple on the alignment grove for the bolt. When attempting to draw back on the bolt this pimple would not allow full travel sometimes stopping the bolt from cocking. Wiggling the bolt would allow the bolt to pass this high spot and after 400 rounds the pimple wore off. The second problem was a trigger with some creep. I am use to an Anschutz trigger, very light and quick, this just gave me an excuse to do a trigger job on the Daisy. I found it relatively easy to do a trigger job on the 747, but I wouldn't advise just anyone to do it. I won't go into detail but the trigger job turned out fine and is a two stage trigger and trips the scales at 9.5 ounces. Please note that Daisy cautions that when triggers are adjusted to less then 2 pounds, the gun may fire if dropped.
The 747 uses the Lothar Walther, 12 grove steel barrel. This barrel has shown to be very accurate in air pistol silhouette. I setup the 747 with a 15X Burris, I enjoy shooting higher power scopes it can be a real challenge. I set the paper targets at 25 yards and had some fun shooting in the standing position. Out of 50 pellets only 5 pellets were just out of the 2 inch 10 ring on my targets. The range I was shooting at is an outdoor range, on test day there was a 4 to 6 mph wind. Shooting in the standing position at 10 yards on paper, groups fit well within a 1/2 inch ring.
The shooters enjoyed the silhouette matches and the original three Daisy 747’s grew to thirteen on the shooting line including three 717’s. Two of the 717’s are 1970 vintage and the other is a factory fresh test gun. In the next 6 months only one 747 had a problem, it popped the "C" clip on the air valve, this was easily fixed in 3 minutes during the match.
The big question that is always asked is, "What's the difference between the 717 and 747."
747 Part# & Description 717 Part# & Description
777-23 Barrel <> 717-23 Barrel
Lothar Walther 12 grove Barrel-Daisy 12 grove
777-14 Trigger <> 717-14 Trigger
Adjustable metal Non-adjustable plastic
777-15 Sear <> 717-15 Sear
Long lever arm Short lever arm
VELOCITY - 747 717
371-375 ft/sec 378-380 ft/sec
Group size - Pellet > Daisy Super Match 7.9
(.465, .309, .45, .244, .512) (.485, .562, .355, .559, .60)
Crosman Premier 7.9
(.45, .31, .26, .26, .29) (.472, .725, .93, .815, 1.08)
NOTE: Five groups with five shots in each were shot from a fixed benchrest at 10 yards.
There is a very interesting situation that all airarms manufactures advise the purchaser about, "accuracy". For accuracy to stabilize at least 50 to 250 pellets should be put through the air pistol. Out of the box the 747's Lothar Walther barrel was shooting tight groups. When I bench tested the 747 it had 2500 pellets through it. Out of the box the 717 was erratic, shooting groups as large as 1.54". I was amazed to see the size of the groups diminish as the pellets were pushed through the barrel. After 200 pellets the 717's grouping was consistent and shooting groups close to the 747 using Daisy pellets. I'm looking forward to the bench test on the 717 at the 1000 pellet mark, to see if the additional shoot-in time will continue to improve accuracy and whether velocity will increase. It should also be mentioned that the accuracy bench test of both air pistols was shot outdoors in a light rain with 5-8 mph winds.
Daisy 717 with scope
I'm glad Daisy gave me the opportunity to compare the two. Both are quality air pistols. At $55 to $70, the 717 is an entry level air pistol and with just some time and patience shooting-in the barrel will give you an accurate dependable gun. The 747's $105 - $140 price, will give you a shooting edge with the Lothar Walther's quality precision shooting barrel that needs virtually no shoot-in time.
Since the 747 is a single pump mechanism using the 747 in a match is not as easy as using a bulk style cartridge CO2 or PreCharged Pneumatic but it is not far behind. Please note, I did not include CO2 12gram cartridges since many of the pistols using them suffer from velocity decline and a cartridge changed is required in a 40 critter match. Pump effort on the 7X7 is very light compared to some other single pump pneumatics.
I found the 7X7’s to be very comfortable shooting a match. The grip angle is perfect for either extended arm fixed sight or cocked elbowed rifle scope, although the stock plastic grips are a bit small for my hand.
I found the 717 and 747 sights adequate, the only complain I have, they are not easily adjusted. There are flat screwdriver slots in place of adjustment knobs. It’s not a problem since many of us use a screwdriver to adjust our powder sights but a quick adjustment would be nice. This is where the 777 was a step ahead the sights were easily adjust.
At the present time I have in excess of 5000 rounds through the 747 and have not had any problems since the trigger job at 50 rounds. Actually there is one inherent problem with the 747, it's so much fun and so easy to shoot I loose track of time.
It has been over a year since I wrote this article and I thought a follow up would be interesting. The 747 now sports a 5-20X 50MM Tasco MAG VI or a BSA 36X Contender, the trigger is now single stage about 5 ½ ounces and set of custom wood grips. This 747 has been an excellent performer and all this time I have used Daisy’s 557 pellets, thousands of them. A short time ago I was setting up this 747 for a match and wanted to check group size at 18 yards for rams. I shot 5 shot groups using + signs for point of aim, holding the pistol on the bench not using the pistol rest. This has been my match pistol for 2 years but I was amazed by the 18 yard accuracy **Daisy.15, .25**, **TechForce .43, .35**, **RWS .243** inch groups. I have given other manufacture’s air pistols, ranging in price from $200 to $1200, the 18 yard test but none have matched the precision of this Daisy. I have tested many other 747’s in this way and have found the consistency for tight groups to be excellent.
The Daisy doesn’t have all the bells and whistles of air pistols costing up to ten times as much but over the years of shooting silhouette with the Daisy 7X7 and higher priced air pistols I’ve come to an interesting conclusion. You don’t really need all those bells and whistles for silhouette. The major needs would be accuracy, dependability and a manufacture that backs their product, the Daisy 747 has all that and the reasonable price is just an extra plus. What will the Daisy 747 do against air pistols costing 10 times as much, it will easily equal or out shoot them.
Just a little history note on the entry level Daisy 717, it actually took second place silver in an Olympic event.
Watch your wind.
THE OLD CROSMAN 1377 STILL LIVES
By JAY AXELROD
The 1377, is the pellet pistol that made me, think seriously about the accuracy of these marvelous air pistols. I am very involved in the metallic silhouette pistol discipline and made the suggestion that we have air pistol silhouette at the private shooting club of which I'm a member. Because of my suggestion I wanted to see if one of these things (air pistols) could shoot or maybe if I could shoot one of these things.
I knew I had some sort of air pistol somewhere and started the search. Had trouble at first finding the air pistol but there it was a bicycle air pump with a grip and trigger. I felt like a kid again, when I was 9 or 10 years old I would take my bicycle pump, pull the plunger back, put a spit ball in the front and push the plunger forward, maybe I hit something or maybe I didn't. Well now I had the same feeling but with a trigger and grip, it's a Crosman 1377, actually an old 1377. I had to think of why, when and where I got this because an air pistol is not the type of gun I would own.
Since I was trying to get an air pistol silhouette match up and running I thought that an air pistol would also improve my smallbore silhouette. One category I shoot in is Unlimited Standing and I use a 36X Tasco. This scope won't make it for use on the 10, 12.5, 15 and 18 yard air pistol silhouette critters since it focuses down to a little under 25 yards. I did have a 3-9X Tasco and I figured I'd try it on the 1377. I first sighted in using sandbags and took five sighters to zero the scope. The last 3 sandbag shots put everything into the 1-inch X ring at 10 yards. At this point I was interrupted by a shooter that is a very good free pistol shooter and somehow our everyday conversation evolved into a $100 challenge at 15 yards standing and now out came his $1500 free pistol.
My thoughts now were, "How do I get myself into these things, I have a cheap old air pistol that's two generations away from being a bicycle pump, I've put 5 shots through it, @# $#!^." Well much to my surprise this superb piece of American engineering found the X ring very easily. I had two shots inside the X ring and three shots just a hog's hair outside the X ring. Two of the three outside were caused by bent skirts on the pellets, it was a stupid move on my part, reusing pellets after I tried closing the bolt when the pellets were sideways. The third outside was from contagious laughter, actually I thought it was laughter but it was crying on part of the other shooter when he saw what this highly accurate bicycle pump was doing to his $1500 free pistol. The 5 shot 15 yard group was tight about a 1/2 inch.
You can't imagine how surprised I was, now I knew that no one could say, "Pellet pistol, HA, HA."
As with any type of handgun dry firing is very important for accuracy. The 1377 air pistol is easily dry fired, just pull the cocking knob. There is a slight difference in the way the 1377 feels when pumped and fired as to the dry fired mode. There is a mild vibration in your hand when dry firing on trigger letoff, this is covered up when fired in the pumped and fired mode and is NOT detrimental to improving your trigger technique. There is a reason for this mild vibration; Crosman uses a double spring slide/hammer that when released by the sear is propelled forward to hit the air release valve. When there is no air pressure on the power plant air release valve the harmonics of the sear/hammer spring can be felt.
There are different mechanisms for power plants in air pistols and rifles. The 1377 uses a multi pump, compressed air system which means the more times you pump the higher the velocity. Although this 1377 is a good few years old the chronograph showed that velocity was higher than advertised.
PUMPS ADVERTISED ACTUAL
2 NA 311
3 310-345 357
5 NA 445
6 430-455 NA
10 465-510 514
Pellets used for velocity tests were Crosman wadcutters and weighed 7.9 grams
This Crosman 1377 power plant has been around for many years and has proven to be a reliable performer and quality product. Since I felt the test unit was old and mine I decided I wanted to see more of the 1377 so disassembly was in order. I was surprised to see the amount of high quality material and detail in design in such a reasonable priced product. Steel and brass with steel inserts are used in this air pistol and power plant with a few plastic parts. This is not a product with designed obsolescence.
As in powder silhouette, air metallic pistol silhouette has a set time to shoot which is 2 1/2 minutes. There are extra steps in preparing a shot with the 1377; one pump doesn't do it especially for silhouette at 10, 12.5, 15 and 18 yards outdoors in wind. Two pumps almost gets it there in velocity but three pumps makes it but 4 is best. There is also an extra step in the loading/cocking department, the bolt release and cocking knob operate independently of each other. These extra steps are not a big deal if you're just plinking but when you're shooting against the clock you've got to move. Please note Crosman has made major changes in the 1377, the new version is the 1377C. Although I haven't tested the 1377C I have tested the 2289 a long barreled version of the 1377C, both incorporate the new one step loading/cocking mechanism, which is a tremendous improvement over the old system.
I do have to mention that I played with one pump for a while and still found the 1377 to be consistent and accurate. This makes the 1377 a great apartment or indoor air pistol for killing time and a few fliers won't really tear up a plaster wall.
I did find the 1377 to have a smallish loading port for my fingers and had more difficulty when a low scope base was used since it mounts the scope tube low over the loading port.
Crosman 1377's are a very accurate and an excellent quality pump-up air pistol for having fun and that is what Crosman designed it for. What I see is what could be an excellent silhouette pistol with a minor change or two in design, some of which has been incorporated in Crosman's latest version the 1377C. I did check the price on the 1377C, retail $89 but with a street price of aprox $50, the old version is $10 to $20 used but make sure they hold air. You can't go wrong and the multi-pump is a good exercise.
THE MAGNUM LIVES CROSMAN 2250
by Jay Axelrod
There are a few air pistol manufactures that are producing high power air pistols and they are pricey. A few years ago Crosman had the SSP 250, a high power .177 cal. CO2 pistol that was very reasonably priced but discontinued in 1995. The SSP 250 had an interesting feature, in addition to the standard 9 7/8 inch .177 cal. barrel, there were interchangeable .20 and .22 cal. barrels both 9 7/8 inches available. This air pistol was designed primarily for air pistol silhouette, actually SSP stands for Silhouette Sport Pistol. Crosman didn't just have a silhouette pistol in the SSP 250 they had an air pistol with the power to get out there where few air pistols could for hunting.
I had heard Crosman had started production of the sister to the SSP 250. I knew nothing about the new air pistol except its model number 2250, so I ordered one for testing. Two weeks had past and UPS delivered a rather odd shaped 3 foot long package. As I opened the shipping box and partially pulled out the display box I saw a rifle butt and thought somebody shipped the wrong item. It was late Friday and my call to check the order got a recording. I stuck the box in a corner and figured I'd try again Monday.
Sunday for some reason I got curious and pulled the display box completely out of the shipping box and was I surprised. This was a pistol but with a shoulder stock and it didn't stop there. Where I expected to see a 9 inch barrel there was a monster 14.625 inch .22 cal. barrel. Although Crosman designed the SSP 250 for silhouette the 2250 as it is shipped is a backpacker, it doesn't come with pistol grips but they are available as part #151-019(RH), #151-020(LH) and #105-054(2 screws). I ordered the pistol grips but the need to try this power package was strong and there was a match coming up in a few days so I borrowed the pistol grips from one of my old 1377's.
I wanted to test the 2250 with a scope for accuracy, so I designed a high clamp-on scope base. This base allows easy access to the loading chamber when using high power rifle scopes on the pistol during timed silhouette matches. I installed this base on the 2250 but had not finished the top rail. The only problem this caused was when I brought the 2250 to the match to show the shooters the new toy, the base blocked the iron sights and I didn't have a hex wrench to undo the scope base. This didn't stop me from putting a CO2 cartridge in and taking a few blind shots at the silhouette targets. The misses over the back or in front of the critters cut big divots in the grass and dirt. The 4" x 4" x 18"long pressure treated hard wood target base was rocked with authority at 10, 12 1/5, 15 and 18 yard silhouette distances when hit with a pellet from the 2250.
The following day I finished off the scope base and installed a 2-6X 20mm Tasco air rifle scope. The 2250 looks impressive but would the 2250 shoot as good as it looks. First I shot in the standing position for silhouette and found the 2250 to be extremely comfortable and very well balanced. I used Crosman Premier .22 cal. 14.3 grain pellets, the first 11 shots were sighters from 25 to 50 feet setting up the scope. At 50 feet the next 20 shots placed in the 2 inch ring with most shots actually tearing the 1 inch X ring into a hole. After thirty six shots power started to drop off with a very fast drop after 40. I also took 4 shots at 50 feet at steel smallbore swingers with a group that fit inside a penny, the recovered pellets were flat. This pistol is accurate and powerful, traits inherited from the SSP 250.
What makes a magnum air pistol, usually authors have referred to rifles for magnum requirements. In .22 cal air rifle the ability to push the pellet with 10 ft/lbs of energy is enough for qualifying a rifle as magnum. High power pistols are so few and usually referred to as powerful with a hint of being magnum. My chrono registered the 2250 pushing the 14.3 Crosman Premier pellets from 540 to 556 ftsec, with a muzzle energy of 9.82 ft/lbs. Please note that air pistol and rifle barrels should have a shoot-in period and velocity will increase and accuracy will improve. Also note that I when chrono testing the muzzle is 3 to 4 feet behind chronograph to prevent erroneous readings.
The one thing that impressed me about the 2250's power happened at a silhouette rimfire and centerfire match. Just for fun I started plinking at the rimfire 25 yard chickens and took a bunch of them out. Now came the pigs at 50 yards, I was getting hits but not toppling them because I was near the end of the CO2 cartridge. I replaced the cartridge and with a full charge went after the pigs again. Now the 2250 toppled the rimfire pigs, amazing! This was an IHMSA rimfire silhouette match not an NRA event, the reason I mention this is the IHMSA critters are larger and "HEAVER".
During the testing time I did find one thing to complain about. After only 35 to 40 rounds my trigger finger, was indented and sore. This is caused by the narrow width metal trigger and is easily taken care of with a trigger shoe.
Crosman has always used quality material in their product and the 2250 being no exception. The workmanship and finish is excellent, showing great attention to detail in a quality finished product. Crosman has pushed the envelope putting together an air pistol that carries the legend of the SSP 250 into the Millennium, but goes one step more.
There is a Magnum among CO2 pistols and you don't have to spend $500 or $600 for the couple of "custom" magnum pistols, the 2250 is about $70, an excellent buy.
COMPASSECO'S TECH FORCE SS2
by JAY AXELROD
Compasseco's Tech Force SS2 is a copy of the famous Feinwerkbau 65 pistol which is a springer. Feinwerkbau one of the world leaders in air pistols knocked the industry on its back years ago when they introduced the FWB 65 pistol and the FWB 300 rifle. The FWB design used in these airarms revolutionized the air industry and excelled in competition dominating air events. The FWB 65 is a springer and springers are notorious for heavy recoil which reacts foward and rearward and annoying spring harmonics and spring rotational recoil. For years Feinwerkbau has manufactured this superb springer and have become known for their quality and accuracy in this springer recoilless airarm designs. TITAN, the now defunct English airarms manufacture reverse engineered an FWB 65 and gave the drawings to five Chinese machine works to produce not only the pistol but "exact replacement parts" for the famous German manufactured pistol .The Britts had a tolorence manufacturing problem between the 5 Chinese machine works and cancled the contract. The Chinese were already manufacturing inexpensive airarms and knew a good thing when they saw it and continued ti manufacture the FWB 65 copy offering it to the U.S. market.
The design is actually a floating receiver, which moves rearward on a rail system when recoil begins. This springer design is known for its accuracy in competition.
the FWB 65 and carries a hefty price tag of about $1070 (from the Beeman 1999 catalog). In past years the FWB 65 has been sold by ARH, Beeman and Daisy my records show 1976 prices starting at $275.
The "basic" copy of the FWB 65 has been around for a good few years now and has been manufactured by a few "independent" Chinese factories. Today the most popular of these FWB 65 copies is manufactured by the Shanghai factory INDUSTRY BRAND and the pistol is imported by the U.S. distributer, Compasseco of Bardstown, KY (compasseco.com). I had the opportunity to inspect and test a new version of Compasseco Tech Force SS2 import from the Shanghai factory, also an older well used TFSS2 was borrowed and included in the test to see how the Chinese pistol has held up over the years of heavy use. I also had three original FWB 65's two old and one new style for comparison.
In a side by side exterior comparison of the TFSS2 and the FWB 65 shows the Compasseco TFSS2 to be a bit different physically with flat sides on the receiver tube going into a 45-degree bevel at the top compaired to the round receiver tube of the FWB 65. The finish on both pistols is very good, the Compasseco TFSS2 had what looks like a resin coating on the grip frame to resist wear. The quality of the grip frame casting and exterior machining is excellent on both pistols. I had noticed that the Compasseco TFSS2 is structurally heavier than its German counterpart in the cocking arm and hinge, which can be high stress areas.
The inovative design of the FWB 65 powerplant utilizes a steel compression ring, a design similar to the type of compression ring used in a gas engine. This steel compression ring gives long life and a consistant pressure and piston speed when compaired to the typical rubber seal used in springers. This steel compression ring design is also used in the TFSS2 and the quality of the Chinese pistol has shown in the older well used unit with many years of dependable service. Upon further inspection of the internals I found this Titan clone to be excellent in quality of workmanship with tight tolerances and highly polished areas where needed and free of tooling marks. Material used on the TFSS2 pistol is steel, aluminum and wood, the only place where any form of plastic is used is the piston buffer, copying materials used on the FWB 65.
Shooting these springers is an interesting experience, there are two modes these pistols can be fired in, recoil and recoilless. The recoil mode uses a locking plate on the foward part of the grip frame just under the barrel. The recoilless mode a rail system allows the barrel/receiver assembly its foward and rearward travel and this is noticeable during cocking. The mechanics of this recoilless system continues, as you pull the trigger and the pistol fires the barrel/receiver now travels rearward on the rails about 1/4 inch negating most of the recoil. It does take a few seconds getting use to the sliding receiver but it makes very nice to shoot. Engaging the cocking lever on the Compasseco TFSS2's is easy, just a little more effort was need on the FWB 65's.
The trigger of the FWB 65's had a very good two stage trigger that was clean and crisp and a second stage letoff of about 12 ounces. The Compasseco TFSS2's also have a very good trigger that had a clean second stage letoff that was at 8 ounces. I did not readjust the triggers on the borrowed FWB's and TFSS2 but would say they are identical in feel. Triggers on all pistols have the same adjustments, a fine adjustment trigger pull, a 3 LB pull and a double stage trigger travel adjustment.
Two of the FWB 65's and the Compasseco TFSS2's had the standard wood grip with more attention to detail on the FWB, the third FWD 65 has a set of adjustable target grips. I prefered the target grip even without the palm rest to the standard although the standard grip was comfortable.
As for accuracy the FWB 65's and the old Compasseco TFSS2 were in my hands for a short period of time and accuracy tests were shot at 10 yards standing, iron sights and the pistols easily shot dime size groups using Crosman, Daisy and RWS pellets. The newer Compasseco also shot tight groups with many 5 shot groups having 3 shot one hole. The TITAN Sichuan clone #1 was the test pistol that I had more time to test, shooting Daisy Wadcutters gave groups of .568 of an inch. The interesting thing was, it didn't make a difference when shot holding it on a bench or standing with a two hand hold at 15 YARDS with iron sights.
The FWB's have an option that is not available on the Chinese versions and that is an adjustable notch width on the rear blade. Both the German and Chinese pistols use spring steel inserts to give different widths for the front sights. These inserts are held in place using a small screw located in the front of the main front sight blade.
For those of you who have shot springers and haven't shot the TFSS2 or FWB 65 you will be in for a surprise, their smooth almost recoilless operation is a joy to shoot. The FWB 65's have the feeling of spring vibration and a small amount of recoil but is very comfortable to shoot. The Compasseco TFSS2's actually surpassed the FWB's with smooth virtually recoiless action and absence of spring vibration.
The two FWB 65's, FWB/Daisy and the two TFSS2's registered well under the manufactures tested velocity. Advertised velocities are Compasseco's TFSS2 @ 520 ft/sec, Beeman FWB 65 @ 525 ft/sec.
I had some fun with the FWB 65 owners and put the Compasseco TFSS2 in their hands for a comparison of the Chinese and German springers, the Compasseco won hands down. I was surprised to see the Chinese Compaseco TFSS2 virtually free of spring vibration beating the German masters of springer design.
Daisy Tech Force Crosman Premiers
Old Compasseco TFSS2> 411 to 423
Newer Compasseco TFSS2> 413 to 425 396 to 409 389 to 395
#1) FWB 65> 419 to 429
#2) FWB 65> 433 to 445
#3) FWB 65> 413 to 428 389 to 401 379 to 394
Pellet weights ADV ACTUAL WEIGHT
Crosman Premier 7.9 8.2
Daisy Match 7.9 7.7
Tech Force Match 8.6 8.2
Both the Chinese the German pistols have indents machined into both the windage and elevation adjustment knobs. All pistols were easily adjusted and held their adjustment through testing.
You know those Chinese instruction manuals that are so difficult to understand well the Industry Brand manual takes care of that you don't have to worry about understanding the English since the TFSS2 manual is only in Chinese but there are lots of great little pictures and a fantastic parts identification page.
For years the thought has been that if you want a quality spring air pistol that is recoilless you would have to go to one of two German manufactures, Feinwerkbau or Dianawerk, and spend a good hunk of cash. After comparing and testing the TFSS2 I've found the quality of workmanship and material to be comparable to their German counterpart FWB 65. You would have to spend $1070 for an FWB 65 or $295 for the Compasseco TFSS2. Actually when Compasseco has a sale, you can turn the clock back to 1976 and beat what was the $275 plus FWB price since Compasseco's TFSS2 sale price in 2001 is $245. The Compasseco TFSS2 is an excellent springer that is equal to or surpassed the smoothness of the best springers on the market. Smoothness in operation is a major point in accuracy for spring airarms and the TFSS2 is smooth allowing it to be an very accurate and a pleasure to shoot
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COMPASSECO’S TECH FORCE 79”TARGET”
By JAY AXELROD
I was on the worldnet and happen to find the Shanghai Air Gun Factory website, they are the manufacture of Industry Brand airguns. As I was going thru their site one airarm caught my eye, it was a very nice looking target rifle the AR2078A. I found it interesting that this was a Tech Force 78 with target bells and whistles and it looked GOOD. Over the past few years the only thing I’ve heard about the Tech Force 78 is praise and that it is superior to its Crosman counterpart. Compasseco is an importer of Industry Brand’s Tech Force airarms, so I gave them a call and was advised that they just received a shipment and they would get one off to me immediately. At Compasseco the rifle model is the TF79 “Target” and the list price is $179
The U.S. Crosman counterpart had been around for years but had been discontinued in 1970. Tim McMurray and Henry Harn reverse engineered the Crosman design and in 1992 McMurray, Harn and the Chinese introduced the QB77 to the U.S. market. Well 10 years later Crosman has come up with the Challenger 2000 and not to be left behind the Shanghai Air Gun Factory introduces the AR2078A (TF79 “TARGET”).
The factory refers to the AR2078A as a youth rifle and it can be because it allows shooting organizations, the ability of starting or building a Junior shooting program with a very small and reasonable investment. Why the factory refers to it as a youth rifle puzzled me, since they state length at 42.5 inches, this would be as close to an adult target rifle as you can get.
Within 5 days from ordering the 79 ”TARGET” arrived, I opened the box and now I was in trouble. Because of its size the stock first caught my eye, the woodwork really looked good. In the past the woodwork on Chinese airarms was not the best but this stock out classed anything that I have seen so far from China. Next was the bluing, a dark rich blue black with depth found in the better German airarms. I understand that Shanghai Air Gun Factory moved into a new manufacturing plant and at the same time also upgraded their machinery with some new CNC machines and also a new bluing system and it shows in the quality finish. Well, like I said I was in trouble, for the next four days I had matches to get ready for and this rifle was on my mind, I wondered if this rifle shot as good as it looks. Well, the frustration got to me, so I started inspecting and testing the rifle.
The 79”TARGET” uses a .177 caliber, button rifled 12 grove 21” long barrel, that has a mildly recessed crown. The barrel has a.585” diameter which is the same diameter as the barrels of my TF 88’s which by the way are very accurate springers.
The 79”T” can use Powerlets or it can be bulk filled and comes with a bulk fill station. I opened the bolt and popped in two Powerlets back to back and tightened down on the piercing cap. When the cap was tight I backed off ¼ turn as per instructions in the manual, this allows the piercing pin in the cap to work properly on the forward Powerlet. Next is closing the bolt and pull the trigger(with an empty chamber) allowing the hammer and rear piercing pin to do its job.
The one thing I noticed had to do with the JR or adult description. I found that the factory spec of 42.5 inches was wrong it is actually 40 inches, with a butt to trigger length of 13.5 inches this being a ¼ inch under the length for an FWB 300 and the same as my Anschutz Running Bore 22lr stock. There are no adjustments for butt plate or cheek piece but just bringing the rifle up to position I found the 79 “TARGET” stock to be very comfortable for my standing shooting stance in its stock form and I’m 6’-1”. Well is it a JR or adult rifle, I feel it’s the right size for both to enjoy.
The front sight is a globe with 2 inserts one a post the other a peep that was stamped with some extra material on its side. There are two rear sight units supplied, the first rear sight unit is a standard field type rear sight with a blade. The width of the opening in this field sight blade is narrow only 1/32 of an inch. The elevation knob (11/16”DIA) has very positive indents, the windage knob is smaller (aprox 7/16” Dia) easy to use but indents are not as positive. The second rear sight unit is a target peep with elevation and windage adjustment knobs that are good size ¾” for clumsy fingers with indents that are very positive and excellent for target.
I started the test shooting standing and setting the target sight for 10 yards. It took 5 shots to set the sight setting and then it was 3/8” of an inch groups and under. After putting some pellets through the 79”T” and getting some shooting time I found it very enjoyable, even though there are no cheek piece or butt plate adjustments. The interesting thing, I didn’t really need them, the rifle stock fits me beautifully and just falls into my shooting position as though it was made for me when shooting iron sights. I was pressed for time so I brought the 79”T” to the air pistol match. Again shooting standing, at the indoor 10 meter range with the targets well lit, the 5 shot groups ranged from 0.37 down to0 .25 of an inch. I was using Daisy MaxSpeed and velocity was chrony’d at 620, 619, 619, 620 ft/sec and then battery died.
Some of the shooters at the match wanted to try the rifle and I was interested in their first impressions so I left them with the 79”T” for an hour. When I returned they hadn’t tired and were still playing with the 79”T” a good indicator, so now it was time to get their answers.
Only one shooter had something to say that was somewhat “nit picking”, he preferred a lighter trigger, he was also the shooter that wasn’t giving the rifle back, he was enjoying it a bit to much even with the “trigger”. I advised him that was the factory set trigger and I had not adjusted the trigger. At this point I put the 79”T” on a digital trigger pull gauge and it tripped the scale at 16 to 17 ounces and a clean quick break. As for the other shooters they loved the rifle and when they asked the price they couldn’t believe my answer.
I found the trigger as it is from the factory to be very good for most shooters. If the shooter wants there are three trigger adjustments:
1) Sear adjustment.
2) Trigger over travel adjustment.
3) Trigger spring tension adjustment.
The stock must be removed to make these adjustments and at this point the trigger spring is easily accessed if the shooter wishes an even lighter trigger.
A week had gone by and during this time I put a 6 - 24X scope on the rifle since I wanted to see how accurate the 79”T” is at distance. I setup a rather wobbly bench and shot a couple of targets at 18 yards, the group ranged from 0.18” to 0.39”, I was using Tech Force 530mg Match pellets, velocity 605 ft/sec. I won’t go into detail but the .39 group was my fault not the 79”T”.
Well, it was our weekly match again and I wanted to give the 79”T” some more bench time with some other pellets. I set paper at 18 yards and was just about ready but this rifle is a shooter magnet, before I knew it I was surrounded. With all the distraction of the table getting bumped a half dozen times and talked to while trying to get the test done the 79”T” still shot great, Tech Force 500mg Match 0.26” to 0.285”, Tech Force 530mg pointed 0.31”, Daisy MaxSpeed 7.9g 0.3” to 0.365”, but being shot from the wobbly table the Tech Force 500mg had an edge in accuracy with the Daisy MaxSpeed and TF 530mg close behind.
The match was an air silhouette pistol match so I tried getting all into shooting something other than the 79”T”. I also decided to play with the79”T” on the targets just to see how it handled shooting standing with a scope. Much to my surprise it fell into eye/cheek position for scoped just as it did with irons, odd but great. I hate to repeat myself but the 79”T” is just as enjoyable shooting scoped.as it is with irons.
I feel this rifle is one heck of a buy, at $179 you get a great looking target rifle, accessories, accuracy that its competition is going to find hard to beat and a company, Compasseco, that stands behind what it sells.
Smith & Wesson 586
Story and Photos
by George Fox Lang
I’ve been a target shooter and a fan of Smith & Wesson cartridge revolvers for many years. I love the fit and finish of S&W revolvers and have enjoyed good reliability and excellent accuracy from them. Most of my hours are logged with a K-frame .22 caliber model 17 and an N-frame .357 magnum model 27 (using .38 Special wadcutters). While I have semi-autos and revolvers of other makes, this is the pair that I most enjoy shooting. Business makes it difficult for me to get to the range as frequently as I would like, hence too many weeks used to pass between outings.
This has changed! A friend introduced me to the model 586 cartridge revolver some years back. This was a blued .357 built on the relatively new L-frame. His had a 6” barrel and was fitted with the target components and nicely figured target stocks. A competent smith had slicked the trigger to double-action perfection. I found the pistol felt familiar in my hand and that I could shoot it well. We had a great afternoon at the range, embarrassing some young semi-auto advocates in the adjacent lanes with what old guys and an old fashioned “round gun” could do, both in slow and rapid fire!
After supper, I was introduced to a second 586, the elegant CO2 pellet revolver designed and made by Umarex Sportwaffen GMBH of Arnseberg, Germany for Smith & Wesson. It was love at first sight! The weight and balance of the two handguns was virtually indistinguishable and the .177 caliber piece operated in precisely the same manner as the .357 it emulated. It also provided exactly the same sight picture. I purchased one within the week!
I continue to like my 586 and use it quite a lot in my basement with an Outers trap and computer-printed targets. It came with two 10-round removable cylinders and I bought three more for convenience. While I have gotten as many as 80 shots from a 12 gram CO2 cartridge, velocity falls off very noticeably after about 60 rounds. I now standardize on 5 cylinders per cartridge. This avoids the nuisance of having to remove the shroud and barrel to clear a pellet left between the cylinder and barrel by insufficient gas pressure.
The only operating problem I have encountered is a tendency for the brass cartridge-seating screw to bind in the white metal seating lever (see photo). This happens with some regularity, requiring removal of the normally fixed left grip to apply sufficient torque to free it and remove an expended CO2 bottle.
The pistol is quite accurate in both single and double-action modes. While the trigger is no match for genuine S&W lockwork, it is very acceptable. The L-frame is a good middle ground between the K and N cartridge guns that I now use less frequently, but with better results. As you can see from the comparative photograph, this pellet pistol is an excellent simulation of a real S&W revolver in every sense.